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. >> president obama has been reluctant to create a legal system here at home that i feel comfortable with, so let's leave them. >> he ran on closing gitmo in 2008. and that hasn't happened. >> right. >> is it your idea that we should keep them indefinitely detaind? what about any sort of trial or due process or anything? >> they are all getting trials down there. all of them -- have been to... habeas judges. they have a right to go before a federal judge. no one is held at gitmo without an independent judiciary. if they are going to be tried, they should be tried in military court. those who attackeddous 9/11, they are war criminals. >> if we are going to detain them, what is the difference between detaining them -- why would the president want to detain them in the territory of the united states? i know there was a prison in illinois that was discussed. if they are going to be detained, does it make a difference where we detain them? >> i think these are not common criminals. they are high-value terrorist targets, keeping them away from population centers is smart. >> why would he w
. >> president obama has been reluctant to create a legal system here at home that i feel comfortable with, so let's leave them. >> he ran on closing gitmo in 2008. and that hasn't happened. >> right. >> is it your idea that we should keep them indefinitely detaind? what about any sort of trial or due process or anything? >> they are all getting trials down there. all of them -- have been to... habeas judges. they have a right to go before a federal judge. no one...
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that is despite president obama's promise to cut the red tape. we're joined by a man from the meeting. tom, i take it this gentleman was not the only one who was distraught with fema, is that right? >> of course. almost everybody at that meeting has different issues with fema, whether you lost your whole house and you have flood insurance or you don't have flood insurance. you know, that's where they're at. some people lost half their house, cars, you know. there's a lot of discrepancy in how fema lets out the money, you know. i can tell you stories where people, i know two people who had the same amount of damage, and one person, and they live on the same type of concrete slab, foundation house, right. and one person's floor is not their living quarters because they had three floors and one person's floor is their living quarters because there's only two floors. that person got 2000. she had like 8 inches of water in her living roo room on the ft floor which causes a lot of damage because it soaks up to all the drywall, and this other person who
that is despite president obama's promise to cut the red tape. we're joined by a man from the meeting. tom, i take it this gentleman was not the only one who was distraught with fema, is that right? >> of course. almost everybody at that meeting has different issues with fema, whether you lost your whole house and you have flood insurance or you don't have flood insurance. you know, that's where they're at. some people lost half their house, cars, you know. there's a lot of discrepancy in...
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that is the message that president obama needs to hear. unfortunately, there's growing evidence to indicate that he's not interested in striking any deal at all. now, he may, in fact, want us to all go over the fiscal cliff. after all, he would be able to point the finger of blame at the republicans to get all the tax hikes he wants, all the defense cuts he's always wanted and some democrats are stating flat out they want to go over the fiscal cliff. watch this. >> i personally think you'll get a lot more deficit reduction if we do the fiscal cliff. i think the markets will reward the fiscal cliff over a period. there will be some panic and moaning and groaning, but first of all, the fiscal cliff is not a real cliff. it's a slope. and you're going to get the biggest bank for the buck in terms of deficit reduction. i think the economy can stand it. yes, we will go into two quarters of recession the cbo says, and i believe that. we're in deep trouble here. somebody's going to have to pay the bill. it's going to have to be all of us. >> joini
that is the message that president obama needs to hear. unfortunately, there's growing evidence to indicate that he's not interested in striking any deal at all. now, he may, in fact, want us to all go over the fiscal cliff. after all, he would be able to point the finger of blame at the republicans to get all the tax hikes he wants, all the defense cuts he's always wanted and some democrats are stating flat out they want to go over the fiscal cliff. watch this. >> i personally think...
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and president obama right? >> we were talking right before the show that they're discounting the provisional ballots which are these contested ballots when people vote on election day and there's some question whether they're registered or whether they're -- it is not the voter's fault. it is board of elections fault. there were a couple hundred thousand at least of those. they're just finishing them. and it gave the president we think, another 50,000, 6,000 or 70,000 vote margin from what we had before. these are votes that the election machinery in ohio now has -- the people running it have a partisan edge to them. when i was secretary of state in the '80s, we didn't have that. they've about provisional balloting. >> bill: they tried to shut down the early voting for the last weekend before the election except for military families. >> judge said they couldn't. in many ways, it probably backfired because i heard a lot of people say that in the churches and other places, people were saying ministers and others
and president obama right? >> we were talking right before the show that they're discounting the provisional ballots which are these contested ballots when people vote on election day and there's some question whether they're registered or whether they're -- it is not the voter's fault. it is board of elections fault. there were a couple hundred thousand at least of those. they're just finishing them. and it gave the president we think, another 50,000, 6,000 or 70,000 vote margin from...
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that we need to address the debt, the debt, almost doubled under this administration, under president obama. and that has to be a part of this. that is where the republicans are insisting that we have a spending cuts and entitlement reforms that will got america on the right track moving forward. jenna: congresswoman, such a big topic. we only brushed the surface of it. we look forward to having you back to talk more about it. thank you so much. >> thank you. jon: right now a potentially explosive new development in the trayvon martin shooting case. lawyers for george zimmerman, releasing this photo. it shows the accused shooter with a bloody nose taken on the night of the deadly shooting. zimmerman as you might recall faces second-degree murder charges in the death of this man, 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense during a violent struggle and martin inflicted the bloody nose. does this change the arc of this case? let's talk about it with lose we will, fox news analyst and crystal panich a criminal defense attorney. the shooting happened and that p
that we need to address the debt, the debt, almost doubled under this administration, under president obama. and that has to be a part of this. that is where the republicans are insisting that we have a spending cuts and entitlement reforms that will got america on the right track moving forward. jenna: congresswoman, such a big topic. we only brushed the surface of it. we look forward to having you back to talk more about it. thank you so much. >> thank you. jon: right now a potentially...
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let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation will be more fruitful. >> all right.
let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end?...